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Hi guys, what trains or buses go to this club or how much would it cost to go from Frankfurt? If I decide to stay at dusseldorf for the night, how much would it cost for a hotel and Prostitutes Wadgassen can I find the best price if I go as a wanderer.

I plan to stay at Frankfurt for the first week but my second week in Germany, I want to wing it so I didn't make Prostitutes Wadgassen because I didn't want to get Prostitutes Wadgassen communting from a set location. Dusseldorf sounds like a place I can stay for a day or two with the Partytreff club. Are they also friendly towards Asians and other non-Caucasian? I am not at home where the info is right now. Was newly remodeled, maybe 15 rooms? This hotel was right off the main exit that you take to get to the club, I went Prostitutes Wadgassen no reservations, just walked in and asked for a room.

Nice secure parking, off the street. Ring the buzzer to get in. If I were to do it again, I would rent a car again. In my opinion, that would be cheaper than train fare and taxi to and from the club. Also my car had a GPS Navigator in it, so I put in the address and it Prostitutes Wadgassen it quite easily, giving turn by turn Prostitutes Wadgassen.

As far as them being friendly to non-whites, they certainly seemed to be, there was a Prostitutes Wadgassen from Morocco there, and he was having a great time. I imagine attitude goes a long way. I preferred Prostitutes Wadgassen over the FKK, only because Prostitutes Wadgassen was cheaper and more "real", I spose Prostitutes Wadgassen isn't for everyone, but when I left, I really felt like I had made friends with the people there.

Will post all the other info when I get home. Thanks for the info World traveller. I will rent a car from Hertz with the direction map in it. Another factor I want to consider is Prostitutes Wadgassen. Is it safe to drive in Europe or are they accident prone like the South American or Carribean countries? Did you have any problems driving in Europe at all? Prostitutes Wadgassen are the best drivers worldwide. They drive fast on the Autobahns when it is safe, and follow all rules religiously.

You should have no problems. I saw her at during the night and loved to Prostitutes Wadgassen and swallow it all. But since my visit I know that this club went downhill fast and I heard a lot of very bad reports both first hand and on some of the German boards verifying the situation.

But I think since this Prostitutes Wadgassen had changed location and are still in business they must have done something to keep the customers happy. From what you wrote in your report it seems that this Prostitutes Wadgassen is well worth a revisit. There are quite a few other clubs like this in north west Germany Mettmann is the most famous and popular they have another club in Gilenkirshen Prostitutes Wadgassen the same magnitude.

I will post a copy of my report shortly for all to see. Even if the beauty of some of the women are not up to the visual of some of the better FKK clubs. No acting here pure uninhibited Prostitutes Wadgassen hot horny woman getting off just for their own pleasure. I have aready posted some of my reports on the the archive part of this board and maybe I will post some more of my finding here too. But if you guys are looking for the ultimate in Hedonism then Beverly in Solingen burg still cannot be beat.

Dark, I had no problems driving at all, Germans Prostitutes Wadgassen very good drivers. Do NOT drive in the left lane unless you can keep up with the traffic there, and do not pass on the right, you will be fine. Just be courteous and don't make people slow down. When I first got into the car, the navigator was in German, there should be an english CD in the glovebox.

Additionally on this board "Kaleu" has his web address in a post that lists most of the FKK and Partytreff clubs in English, with addresses, phones, prices, etc and maps, go back through the posts to find his web site. Wizard, I did enjoy my visit to the partytreff, and I will definately go back and Prostitutes Wadgassen also be looking up the Beverly Partytreff upon my return. Tina also made an appearance there on Thursday Prostitutes Wadgassen late, she Prostitutes Wadgassen looking a bit worn, but seemed to be a very nice lady and looked like she could be quite a party animal : She did not party at all, just came in to say hi, etc etc Details are on their web site: www.

Swing2You is a fairly new club. It's what I think they call a Party-Treff. Jasmine was the hostess when I went this Wednesday. She's a cute little brunette that speaks perfect english she told me that they opened in Sept, The place looked very clean and they have many different rooms small and HUGE. I've never tried this kind of stuff, but was thinking about it ; Prostitutes Wadgassen later decide not to since I was feeling a little shy; my first time at a "PartyTreff".

They also had a sauna room, but I didn't see anyone use it the during my Prostitutes Wadgassen. On Wednesday and Tuesdaysthey have a special for euros Gang-Bang-No-Limit night. They have other theme nights, but this fit what I was looking Prostitutes Wadgassen.

The theme nights are listed on their web site www. There was about 8 girls there when I arrived. None of them were model-quality except for a dark-beauty Monique spoke perfect english as well. In fact, she was kind enough to translate for me when I was trying to speak to Prostitutes Wadgassen other girls who didn't speak english. The place was fairly quiet when I was there and the girls were very firendly and eager to please. The Prostitutes Wadgassen thing about Swing2you is that it seems that it's always 2 girls on Prostitutes Wadgassen customer!!!

I had my first 2-girls-at-once session there and my second and third!!! Monique even asked if I wanted a 3-girl session I declined since I was exhausted after 3 double-sessions. The drinks and snacks were free including the beer.

This was my first Party-Treff. The girls and staff were very warm and friendly. I definitely will go back on my next trip. Lustseeker, Thanks Prostitutes Wadgassen the info on this Partytreff, What time of day did you go, what are the clubs hours, when you say only Prostitutes Wadgassen Girl of 8 was Attractive, what did the other girls look like,Below Average or Fat, do you know the public Transportation to get there. Thanks if you can provide info. Finally made my pilgrimage to Beverly on a Wednesday night - orgy night.

My German friend kept telling me we just had to go - now I Prostitutes Wadgassen why. Someone here Peter? I've been to party treffs before but this is on another planet.

Entrance - EUR for single men. Inside in various states of underwear about 30 couples, 5 unattached men and about 5 unattached women hired by the place?

Free food, liquor, drinks throughout the evening. On the ground floor a maze of rooms comprising a sex Prostitutes Wadgassen. My German's Prostitutes Wadgassen great Prostitutes Wadgassen all - still I managed to find 5 willing accomplices.

Just be friendly, sensitive to body language and you'll get yours. Up the stairs is reserved for couples - one of the accomplices agreed Prostitutes Wadgassen be my tour guide - just rooms - but it's here that most of the couples go - no unattached men hovering on the horizon. Definitely a Best Value choice.

I will be back Isseu, Wasn't me. I have never been in the Partytreff Scene. Had one girl recommend it, but she was already on the older Prostitutes Wadgassen for a working girl. Wiz, Peter, I agree with Wiz's remarks. Women of all kinds and ages and it's quite unbelievable till you've seen it. Saw Prostitutes Wadgassen spoke to a beautiful model quality woman, who was just there to see what it Prostitutes Wadgassen all about and help lower the admission price for her friend who was having himself a grand time The action is all out in the open, and this is one of the ways to Prostitutes Wadgassen into the action - sort of watch closely and if you make eye contact,you may be asked Prostitutes Wadgassen join.

Happened to me twice. Leave those inhibitions at home. Definitely not for everyone and the night i was there while at the bar, the guy next to me was on the happy end of a BJ and rimjob from a woman who must have been 30 years younger than him.

Still I think that lack of fluent German language skills is definite impediment to making contact and getting hubby to ask you to join him and the missus. IMHO most of the couples spend most of their energy upstairs, and unless you 're there with a significant other, you won't be able to partake in the real swinging action.

My travel directions were simpler for first time driver to club but longer. Solingen Burg Prostitutes Wadgassen about 7 k"m after city outskirts, all the while driving straight on the road which eventualy becomes Escherbacher. Wiz, would be great to hook up with you on a future visit to gain from Prostitutes Wadgassen expertise and language skills. Yes your directions are correct and I also know that way in. But there is nothing easier that joining the A3 autobahn it runs the lenght of Germany and every city has signs leading to it diving on it till you reach juction 23 each juction Prostitutes Wadgassen clearly signposted and are all numbered consecutivly then its not far to drive on the A1 in Prostitutes Wadgassen direction of Wuppertal once you come off the A1 at junction 96 on to the slip road make a left at the T juction you just cant go Prostitutes Wadgassen just follow the road till you reach Beverly.

Try it next time you will thank me for it I'm sure. BTW my German language skills are very poor but I do Prostitutes Wadgassen a bit but have a lot of difficulty in speaking even so I somehow manage to get by and have a ball every time Prostitutes Wadgassen go.

Well at least we both seem to agree on all the other issues that Beverly is still the best. Which club has the best looking girls younger the better? I realize with amateurs, etc. Wiz, I'll try it your way next time and see if it's easier. I actually like he discovery part of Prostitutes Wadgassen in new places and cities, Prostitutes Wadgassen satisfaction of charting and navigating correctly to a new destination.

I really need to get pointers from you if you can get hubby to let you at the missus without the language skills. I understan some German, but speaking is a real Prostitutes Wadgassen, and certainly very difficult to be glib, charming and suave BTW, Prostitutes Wadgassen anyone else confirm the earlier post about Swing2You? Prostitutes Wadgassen like a new place that needs to be checke out, and its at a pretty convenient location.

Thanks Wizard and Iseeu for the info on these clubs. I will be in Germany from May 26th to Jun 7th and I would like to know what days are best for which clubs. I also like to know the schedule for the Gangbang nights and the best looking women. I appreciate Prostitutes Wadgassen info on the schedules. I asked a while back if there are any Partytreff places near Kaiserslautern.

Is there? Isseu and Wizard, Thanks for the great reports on Beverly. Prostitutes Wadgassen hope to visit there this summer, even if it is out of the way, but before I do so, can you answer a question or two?

How likely is it that a single guy might "strike out" at Beverly? I'm nice enough looking and have some charm, but don't speak any German and won't have a Prostitutes Wadgassen companion. I once went to a swingers club in Montreal and struck out there. They had a front room that was a bar and where no swinging occurred. To get in the back room, you had to be invited by a couple or a single woman. There were no single woman there that night, and none of the couples I approached spoke English, only French.

I could only look on in envy as some of the French-speaking guys hooked up with couples and headed to the back. I'll try a Berlitz tape this month, but am wondering if you can tell me how many women or couples at Beverly speak some English, and whether a lot of the single guys there fail to hook up for one reason or another. I'm hoping it might be more like a gang-bang scene where its easier to Prostitutes Wadgassen up with somebody. Prostitutes Wadgassen, I've been to Beverly Prostitutes Wadgassen and Prostitutes Wadgassen a male friend Just a friend!

The downstairs is a gang bang Prostitutes Wadgassen and unattached men can roam the entire downstairs area and Prostitutes Wadgassen to hook up with some of the action. To get upstairs, where many of the couples go, you'll need a female partner. That is where the real swinging goes on! But in all it is definitely easier to break the Prostitutes Wadgassen and get Prostitutes Wadgassen the game if you bring along your own "ante".

Good command of German definitely would help you convince hubby to let you get a go with the wife. I don't know if a month with berlitz tapes would do the trick.

You need to be Prostitutes Wadgassen, glib and funny not"How much Prostitutes Wadgassen this cucumber? Thanks for the reply isseu. I'll be in Los Angeles next month. You mentioned being to clubs in California; any in LA that will admit a single guy? I think you're right about the Berlitz; after a week of tapes I can barely say "This is my Prostitutes Wadgassen. Thanks again for your help. California, where I first learned about these possibilities.

But that was over 10 years ago- doubt if the information is current. This will be my first time visiting Germany, and I have Prostitutes Wadgassen couple of questions to help me plan my itinerary. Since I will only be in Germany for a total of four nights two nights on the way up and two nights on the way back, which Prostitutes Wadgassen the Partytreffs and FKK clubs do you recommend? If you recommend neither public transportation or a rented car, then is it economical to use a taxi for transportation to the Partytreffs and FKK clubs?

I would like something that will be strategically located to make it easy for me to travel to Prostitutes Wadgassen Partytreffs and FKK clubs you recommend.

The hotel should also have a restaurant or be in close proximity to Prostitutes Wadgassen where I can take meals. Can you recommend Prostitutes Wadgassen modest hotel with meals near-by for east access to the Partytreffs and FKK clubs you recommend? Do most Germans know a little English hotel clerks, taxi drivers, rental car personnel, etc. Any advice you can Prostitutes Wadgassen would be sincerely appreciated!

These two cities are about KM away from each other so you can reach them by car within 2 hours. Do not fly to Munich as that city is virtually Sex-Free. I would recommend a rental for the number of days that you are planning, see what sort of deal you can pull off. Public transit is quite possible even with limited language knowledge, it just takes longer. Taxi's would be prohibitively expensive. The FKK scene is not the same as the Partytreff scene. I would suggest that you spend one of the two day stopovers in the Frankfurt area and visit Oase, Atlantis and maybe FKK-World plans to open Prostitutes Wadgassen the end of May.

In each of those sections hotels near the clubs are Prostitutes Wadgassen which are cheap and clean. I cannot recommend any hotels as I never stay in any. Most germans speak some english, but don't take it for granted.

Walk up to the people and ask them if they speak some english and probably 8 out of 10 know enough, but if you just be the loud american tourist don't be surprised if no one knows how to understand you. The only problem with Public transit is that these clubs are not well known landmarks in Prostitutes Wadgassen metropolitan centers, even if you have the address you won't find many people who Prostitutes Wadgassen know where it is or even the small town it is in.

The Bahn. Hope this helps, Peter. Just to add my 2 cents If this is your first time as an American in Germany and you're really apprehensive the least scary possibility is to take cabs, but it's also the most costly.

To Oase and Atlantis Prostitutes Wadgassen costs Eur each way. There are also 2nd tier clubs in or closer to FRA i. Chantal, FKK35, Dietzenbach, etc which are easy to get to, but not as recommended. Other possibility is to stay in KArben or one of the other towns nearby between the clubs - see earlier postings with recommenations for these.

IMHO trains Prostitutes Wadgassen a hassle if you Prostitutes Wadgassen speak the language and know the system, you still need a cab at both ends, an you may be time limited to make the last train back. And it definitely adds valuable travel time for connections, etc. German highway system is terrific, rental Prostitutes Wadgassen Eur for a day, and Prostitutes Wadgassen you're your own boss. Gasoline is amazingly expensive even by Prostitutes Wadgassen US standards.

Regarding Duesseldorf area and partytreffs, many of the FKK's are right in the city as is Pegasus a partytreff. Solingen and Mettman are about minute Prostitutes Wadgassen out of the city Prostitutes Wadgassen train connections to SolingenBurg Beverly are sparse. Swing2you is closer in Erkrath. Sorry, i can't recommend economical hotels Technicalities aside, if this is your first time be prepared for a mind numbing experience Hi guys, I see lots of promising options to do on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday, but what Partytreff club is best to get laid on a Prostitutes Wadgassen night?

It will help me a great deal. It does appear that there are more flights into Frankfort Prostitutes Wadgassen into Dusseldorf, and if I'm not mistaken, I think the airfare may even be less expensive flying into Frankfort. Also, I appreciated Prostitutes Wadgassen input regarding transportation issues.

I will probably rent a car, and drive to the areas of interest. It sounds like the cab fare will be too expensive, and those dollars can be put to better use, if you know what I mean. I wasn't aware of MAP I checked it out last night, and it will be a great help! I haven't checked out Bahn. Actually, I'll probably be up most of the night anyway, and it may be better just to venture back to my hotel when the sun come up.

That's usually how it goes. As far as not knowing German, I will probably take my Palm Pilot with me. I have a translation program installed on it for Spanish, and it works very well. I will probably do the same using a German program. These Prostitutes Wadgassen Pilots work great for that, and they are inexpensive compared to Prostitutes Wadgassen better translators.

Check out my post for the specific details. I will probably arrive on a Friday morning at the Frankfort Airport, rent a car, drive to Dusseldorf area, find a hotel somewhere close to my area of interest, and then I'll get some sleep Prostitutes Wadgassen a couple of hours so I'll be ready for Friday night's action Jet Lag and mongering don't mix. Then, Saturday morning I will venture back over to Frankfort for Saturday night's activities.

It might work out well if I'm in a Frankfort hotel Saturday night so I can get to the airport more easily Sunday morning to catch my flight out. Then, on the return trip, I'll start the process all over again, and visit some of the places Prostitutes Wadgassen missed on the first trip.

What do you think? ISEEU, thanks for the details about which cities are closest to things. I will have to research the matter of hotels, but knowing which Prostitutes Wadgassen are closest to the action is very helpful. Thanks again guys Its not the size or Prostitutes Wadgassen of the airport that counts the cost. Its somthing not to be missed. If you do decide to fly to Frankfurt and commute to the north leave yourself loads of extra time to get back to checkin as even though the roads in Germany are fantastic it doesnt take much to snarl them up with tremendous Prostitutes Wadgassen jams going on for KMs due to accidents and road repairs and a two hours drive can end up as five.

If you sit down and surf through all the posts Prostitutes Wadgassen this thread as well as this whole section possibly the German section too has some intresting tips and reports you should be able to find what suits you best and make up your plans of how best to spend your time in Germany. Prostitutes Wadgassen spent Prostitutes Wadgassen is wasted time. If it Prostitutes Wadgassen in June I would really give World a try, that's when it opens and it promises to be the most impressive.

I can recommend Planet Happy Garden or Wildenrath, but there are a tonne around there for all tastes. Then hit Beverly for the Partytreff scene. I would not try and cram both Prostitutes Wadgassen into the same 2 day stretch.

If you are more clear on your dates maybe Prostitutes Wadgassen can meet you at one of the clubs and give you some tips, just give me at least a weeks notice and I can probably work it into my schedule. Valmont, sorry, none that I'm familiar with. Spent the night in Amsterdam and went to the usually wonderful Paradise, which unfortunately was almost empty. Made friends with 2 of the couples, and had some fun with them. I know that weekend nights are great there and was told that on thurs. I have some spare time at all 3.

Hi This is very Prostitutes Wadgassen thanks. I prefer Partytreff to Swingers as you can never be sure of success at swingers. Will report back after trip. It didn;t have good reports and the last time I went there there weren't many women. But Prostitutes Wadgassen only had 2 hours spare and they open at It was better this time I was the only one there until but a pair turned up and then another guy and we had a threesome while her husband watched.

Had to go to catch my flight but while I was changing circa some more women came in The one I had was old c 45 but a good body and energetic. I think the place is looking up. I will Prostitutes Wadgassen sudfass or St Tropez in Muenchen and report back. After much searching, hunting, and question-asking, I have finally found a Partyreff near Kaiserslautern, in Prostitutes Wadgassen in Prostitutes Wadgassen. I Prostitutes Wadgassen like freaking Colombo during the search.

The club Prostitutes Wadgassen called Villa Am See, and the entry price is 70 Euro for single men, 20 for couples, and free for single women. The website looks pretty good, www. Wish me luck, it's my first partyreff trip.

Sorry this report is so late, but you guys know how work can get. I went on Friday night to Villa Am See, it's not that hard to find. It is about km outside of Kaiserslautern on the right side of the road. I arrived there at almost 11pm Friday night, thinking it would be the perfect time. Boy was I Prostitutes Wadgassen. I was told at the Prostitutes Wadgassen that they were closed because "too many mens.

At 11 freaking pm!! Anyway, I left, but will give it one more shot this saturday I think. Maybe getting there earlier will help. Hi, I will be visiting Prostitutes Wadgassen for the first time.

Have 3 days in Prostitutes Wadgassen. Looking for swinging and orgies. Hello fellow stoinkers!!!! Due to unforseen cicumstances, my much anticipated trip to Germany did not happen Bugger. However my work now sees me with a Prostitutes Wadgassen weekend in Amsterdam Yeehaa. Are there any clubs Prostitutes Wadgassen to the German Partytreff clubs which are worth a look? If so, what would be the best destination within reasonable travelling distance from Amsterdam?

I was thinking Dusseldorf. Any info Prostitutes Wadgassen can supply would be a great help, I don't want to waste this opporunity on a club that Prostitutes Wadgassen not quite up with the best.

Thanks for the help. T Dick, FRA is not known for its partytreff scene - see many previous posts on this. Quality varies at others, and experiences differ. If you're a firstimer they Prostitutes Wadgassen the industry benchmark and you will be able to match every other experience that you may Prostitutes Wadgassen against them.

Yes D-dorf is closest and most convenient to A-dam Prostitutes Wadgassen the Dusseldorf area is king of the partytreff - Swing2You Prostitutes Wadgassen compare to Beverly and Beverly is only about 20 minutes out of the city. Enjoy all. Prostitutes Wadgassen, can Prostitutes Wadgassen give me Prostitutes Wadgassen to Paradice in A-Dam will be visiting in a few days.

Casper, check out the parenclub listing at www. Paradise info is there, Best on Thurs - Sunday. Any Partytreff clubs in Frankfurt? I will be overnighting on a Saturday in July and would like to sample some goods.

Having said that I will Prostitutes Wadgassen what is available. Swing4You - Duesseldorf Following a number of positive Prostitutes Wadgassen here and on other boards, thought I'd try it Prostitutes Wadgassen especially as it's very convenient to get to without a car S8 to Erkrath, 5 minute bus or taxi ride from thereand even though it was a Weds.

Nice facility, clean Prostitutes Wadgassen well run and the manager speaks a very good English. Customers included one couple the woman of the couple was the most attractive one there and about 8 men during the time I was there. So the ratio Prostitutes Wadgassen great, gang bangs galore, you can fuck non-stop the entire time that you'r e there, but you have to be willing to do the deed with women who look like your mother.

I had a good time with Akasha, the English speaking woman, and some other moments. In a club like this, since you sit around and talk with the Prostitutes Wadgassen and other customers during the lulls in action, it's important to have a working knowledge of German.

Bottom line: The concept, cost, convenience and facility are fine. They need to find a more attractive cast of characters. I'll go to Prostitutes Wadgassen next time I'm in town on a Weds. Hi guy's, I still need some infor on Partytreff clubs in Frankfurt. I will be there next weekend and would like to have some plans so as to maximise my time.

Anyone got any recommendations? I have a few questions on Beverly as I don't understand German. I don't see it on the web site. I don't know anything about Beverly, but I Prostitutes Wadgassen rad the German Page. They are closed Sunday and Monday The First Saturday is for people who are into leather and piercings.

The Third Saturday features women who like to strip on stage. Hope that helps Peter. Its a lot simpler than that. Tuesday is Bi day - stay away unless you are into that.

Thursday is Bizarre day. Wednesday - general good time. Friday general good time Saturdays - there technically is a theme, however they are always a good party with lots of action. You do not need to pay attention to the themes - most people do Prostitutes Wadgassen.

Couples Prostitutes Wadgassen. Enjoy - see you there this weekend Sorcerer. I will be leaving for Germany this weekend. I will be landing in Frankfurt and taking the train to Koblenz.

I will only have time on Sunday and Thursday afternoons. OR Does anybody know of a good massage parlor in Koblenz that can give a good massage and does extras?

I have never been to one Prostitutes Wadgassen these types of clubs before but I Prostitutes Wadgassen thinking that all of patrons pay this price and that Prostitutes Wadgassen of the girls actually work for the Big Bamboo? Is this how PartyTreff Clubs work? Does Prostitutes Wadgassen mean that there may be a chance of not "hooking up" with somebody? The girls on a Saturday Prostitutes Wadgassen were 6, one around 50 yr old, was basically an assistant barwoman more than a girl.

The best one left at 10 pm!!! Furthermore 2 out of 3 gave Prostitutes Wadgassen blow jobs even though I asked otherwise There was only one couple age around And there is a girl, Spanish, small, Prostitutes Wadgassen skin and blond -looks German- there that I have the Prostitutes Wadgassen is a drug addict as she had two small round wounds at her feet partly covered by her shoes with the typical shape of Another problem of partytreff is that if one girl Prostitutes Wadgassen one of the men she spends the whole night with him as I saw at Swing2You, while this would never happen in an FKK for evident reasons Flower, My own visits tell me that a Partytreff can be a great experience.

I do not know Swing2you, but I can recommend Mettmann see my earlier report and reports from others in this forum. The Partytreff provides unlimited sex in a group Prostitutes Wadgassen. I have visited a few, and have always been satisfied, and usually very satisfied.

I only speak a few words of German, but I usually find at least one girl who speaks some English. They are usually very friendly and eager to chat between sessions.

She loves you to cum in her mouth. Better luck next time. I agree with Roger - I have had many excellent times Prostitutes Wadgassen parttreffs and possess only a very elementary knowledge of german - beverly beats all IMHO - but Mettman is good also.

Swing4you's problem remains its poor selection of women - this turns away Prostitutes Wadgassen couples and men. It's a shame because the facility is Prostitutes Wadgassen and convenient to get to. Flower - I wouldn't draw conclusions about partytreffs from only a visit to Swing4you. I am going to Beverly Prostitutes Wadgassen night Wednesday 30th. If anybobody would like to join me on Prostitutes Wadgassen trip I will be at Soligen Ohligs Train station at You can't miss me, I am tall, have short hair and am a brit.

The plan is to share taxi expense from Prostitutes Wadgassen startion to Beverly and Prostitutes Wadgassen from Beverly to Soligen Ohligs. You should be able to call a cab when your ready to go back to Solingen. I personally prefer to stay in the Niggemann hotel in Solingen Burg its a lot closer and they also offer a special Beverly discount.

If Prostitutes Wadgassen are able I think you would aslo enjoy Friday night more. Wednesdays can be dissapointing sometimes.

But I am sure you will have a lot of Prostitutes Wadgassen just be nice and friendly and you will get your reward. Just let us know how you got on and tell all. Wiz is right. You won't have a train back to FRA at that hour. Either stay at Niggeman's or if you do find Prostitutes Wadgassen to share than you might as well share a cab back to D-dorf. Wish i could be there also this week - Pls send us details, lots of them I got to Beverly at about 8. The car park was almost full with about 50 cars.

I paid my Euro and went in. The place was wall to wall with couples, I tried to count but gave up! One of Prostitutes Wadgassen reasons that it could have been so busy is that the previous Wednesday got a goo report in a very popular private Prostitutes Wadgassen room for swingers in the NRW area. Their were a few couples there that I would say wrer absolutely stunning, one women of about Prostitutes Wadgassen was beautilful and was walking wearing only a bodice and a shaven pussey!

The problem was nobody wanted to play with the single men.

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A few of the couples were getting it on in the roome at the back but it was definately a case of Prostitutes Wadgassen but don't touch. All the couples were talking to each other and it Prostitutes Wadgassen impossible to start off a conversation with any of them.

I spoke to a couple of single guys there who shared the same opinion, as one of them put it "Viele paare, aber nicht die richtiger Prostitutes Wadgassen a lot of couples but not the right onesand they all thought it was a strange night, even for a Wednesday.

They did say that Saturday was would be a lot better better. Have said that there was plenty of voyeur action going on so I settled for that, which bearing in mind the quality of the women wasn't so bad. One point is the closing times which I think may have changed. Wednesday is At one point I will try a Friday or a Staurday evening but will probably try and hitch up with Prostitutes Wadgassen couple or single female before hand via the Prostitutes Wadgassen page mentioned above.

I have also heard some good reports on teh Prostitutes Wadgassen club Cesear's Palace north of Wuppertal. Anybody tried it? Britpop, Sorry Prostitutes Wadgassen hear about your disappointing evening. I've been Weds. There usually are a few "free agent women" on Weds. BTW, weds. You were extremly unlucky to turn up with a total couple nite this is only normal on the last saturday of the month then no single guys are allowed in.

I am suprised no single women were present or Prostitutes Wadgassen any of the couples were looking for Prostitutes Wadgassen nice single guy to screw the "Misses" Its a well debated fact that Beverly hire paid staff to keep some of the guests happy. I know this has been denied by both the girls and Beverly and maybe they are not paid an actual salery.

I still belive that some scheme is being operated by the Beverly team to keep everyone happy. Did'nt you not notice any single women on the prowl?

But in your case this was not the question. I hope you will try again and next time you will hit the jackpot. I am dreaming and planning of poping over for a weekend in october or november to visit that fantatsic place once again. Isseu, Wizard, or anyone else who wants to help out, could anyone tell me about Partytreff clubs within 2 hours or so from Kaiserslautern?

I'm talking about places around Frankfurt, Saarbrucken, Mannheim, etc I'm planning to visit Beverly in Oct. Can anyone who's visited Beverly Prostitutes Wadgassen me if there's any point going if I don't speak German?

I am a frequent visitor and I speak only English. Prostitutes Wadgassen Wed Fri or Sat Prostitutes Wadgassen a great time. The last Sat of the month is couples only. I will have a very extensive report Prostitutes Wadgassen Beverly up in about a week. Sorcerer, Great posting! I'm just afraid that you've done too good a job Prostitutes Wadgassen describing this wonder Prostitutes Wadgassen now it'll be overrun with horny mongerers.

Lol I agree that this is one of the most amazing places. I have a slightly different experience though regarding single women - I have seen a few each time, certainly not 20 at a time.

Almost all the women are part of a couple and your mission is to get hubby to trust you enough to let Prostitutes Wadgassen have a go at the wife.

Also, I Prostitutes Wadgassen been paying Eur for a single man's entry. But while this place is tops for some Prostitutes Wadgassen I'm afraid it's not good for all. I have said before at Beverly you pay only for entry food and drink if you score is totally up to you and your charm this is not Partytreff and definetly not a FKK club.

All sexual act's are in full public veiw there is no privacy other than some darken rooms or alcoves and you will be watched and your partner might get stroked or carresed while your busy "Doing It". There is no Prostitutes Wadgassen as to who turns up each evening some women are very plain some are old but be sure the stunners and young beautys are there but if you are able to nail them thats the challenge.

For me Beverly is still the best by far and I cant wait till my next return. Great reporting Sorcerer you certainly captured its charm and attraction. Thanks for the support. Beverly is a great place if you don't mind Prostitutes Wadgassen sex.

If you need privacy - go elsewhere. As Wizard says, not a lot of privacy at Prostitutes Wadgassen and he knows. He and I shared an evening or two with some lovely ladies there. As far as the price, Prostitutes Wadgassen are right on the price. Prostitutes Wadgassen fixed the original post. I've gone there quite a lot and I have a lot of friends there. If you go, let me know and I will Prostitutes Wadgassen my regards and guarantee you a good time!

Not sure where yet but you can be sure that if I'm anywhere near Beverly, that's where I'll spend my Saturday night. I just realized that the last Sat. Can you get your friends to let me in? My friend usually does not go on couples night.

She did once, and I got in with her but it was not a really good night for a guy who wanted to play around. How far is the club Beverly from Heidelberg? Is there any clubs of this type closer to where I am staying?

I don't mind going on a couples only night - i have been to some clubs Prostitutes Wadgassen are always couples only but I had time in advance to arrange an escort.

This time I'm only arriving in DE on fri. Maybe Prostitutes Wadgassen "friend" is free. Dinner, drinks and transportation on me.

I can't believe I'm getting there on the last Sat. Bogus luck Even if you are willing to pay for a pro to join you and pay the enterance fee for both of you the cost is going to be prohibitive I doubt if you would enjoy yourself as the couples nights are much more subdued than the mixed nights. Its true you will have chance to meet some real couples but these people will most likely sus out that your with a hooker and give you a cold shoulder and youll be stuck with her for the night.

Unless one of the hubbys fancies a pro hooker and lets you have his wife in exchange. The best day to visit is the first Friday of the month when its erotic disco nite but I checked their web site and your date its "Salsa Night" I dont quite know what that means but I guess that you will get your fill of fun too. I have been meaning to try Prostitutes Wadgassen club out for some time now and will on my next trip. I would love to hear other opinions and first hand reports.

The only other hot place that will allow you single entry on that Saturday is Waterloo in Holland but I would not recommend that you go Prostitutes Wadgassen as the single male to women ratio Prostitutes Wadgassen never good and you can easily go home empty handed. Thanks for the assist. I've taken a pro to a couples night, and it was an amazing experience.

Prostitutes Wadgassen less expensive to go as couple than a single male - and she really played the Prostitutes Wadgassen - a generous Prostitutes Wadgassen was promised and delivered. I doubt if we were the only "couple" like that. I've met on a number of occasions woman friends who joined their male friend and didn't participate - just came to watch the home team score. No fears - iseeu will see, iseeu will remember and iseeu will faithfully report.

I am temporarily out of touch with my Beverly friend. We had an e-mail go between but he is moved from Germany and now I am looking for a new way to email her. Sorry I can't help this time. Another picture Prostitutes Wadgassen Miss I and her friend. I would love to hear how you got on as well as any other member of this boards first hand experinces in this new club?

If anyone is going to Beverly soon, please let me know. I Prostitutes Wadgassen like to send a message to a special friend.

The person who carries this message Prostitutes Wadgassen her on a Friday or Satruday night will most likely have a very special treat. Sorcerer: I will be at Beverly on September 19th Friday. If you want, I can "carry" your message.

This is the 2nd time I am visiting Beverly. My Prostitutes Wadgassen hollywoodtraveler yahoo. If you could print it and give it to her I will be very grateful. I'm sorry I missed the chance. Your Nov fact-finding trip sounds really tempting. Care for a fellow traveller? Surprisingly nice place compared to the outside looks of the place in the old eastern Prostitutes Wadgassen of the Prostitutes Wadgassen.

Despite the ratio, lots of action. No large place reserved for the couples so it's all right there. One woman fucked every available cock over and over again, and kept asking for more, and her husband was in charge of lining the men up.

Recommened on the 1st Tues of every month. Gas is also very expencive in Europe and has Prostitutes Wadgassen be taken into concideration. Its not so bad, so Ive been told by freinds who have done it before. Its still possible to find some straight girls who just come, to watch the weird stuff to get turned Prostitutes Wadgassen and want just a regular screwing. I dont think there is anything else in the area that could Prostitutes Wadgassen our humble presents. Mettmann, Tinas and Swing4U are not in the running for obvious reasons.

We still have time to explore our options and will act accordingly. Wiz, Why not fly into Amst - 2. Need to check what Thurs. I would assume that Fri. Bev Bizarre Night sounds like fun. Private party or can I tag along? Thanks Iseeu for the advise,but Sorcerer is already boooked on a flight to and from Frankfurt,and cannot change. So with this in mind I will book my flight to Frankfurt too. As to your wish to tag along,at the moment I have another two friends who are joining Sorcerer and myself for this trip.

That mean's four in one rental car big Prostitutes Wadgassen and two sharing hotel room x2. So in other words our tour is full. But if one of them decide's to drop out at the last minute there might room for you? Four of us guys sharing Prostitutes Wadgassen and car will make it very economical for all,anymore than that going to be uncomfortable and crowded. All four of us plan to meet up in Frankfurt airport to start Prostitutes Wadgassen on Prostitutes Wadgassen weekend of fun.

If you or anyone else have any good suggestions for Thursday night we would love to hear Prostitutes Wadgassen. Wiz, Not a problem Prostitutes Wadgassen the dates work out I can swing for a car and room so it Prostitutes Wadgassen get too hot and sweaty with all Prostitutes Wadgassen those male chromosomes going haywire.

Seriously, if the dates work, and it's alright with the group, Prostitutes Wadgassen me in. Re: Thursday nite - I think that it's a slow nite for swinger clubs right before the weekend. Some like Paradise hire pros to "entertain" the crowd Prostitutes Wadgassen mostly single males.

There's always FKKs: Here's an idea - relax from the long trip at one of the best saunas in the world Taunas Therme in Bad Homburg 20 minute drive from Frankfurt airport and ogle lots of naked women at the same time.

Had 24 hours in AMS, and decided it was worth it to take the train to Dusseldorf normally not a place I can get to and visit either Pegasus or Tropicana. Both of these places are an easy walk or U-Bahn ride from the central Hbf. Prostitutes Wadgassen the U-Bahn U79 train U78 works as well to Kennedydamm station, walk one Prostitutes Wadgassen south when you come out to get to Bankstrasse. Turn left east and walk about 3 blocks. Pegasus is on the right side at Entry was Euro.

Forit is "all you can eat", and although I guess there are sometimes swingers present, you primarily party with Prostitutes Wadgassen or 4 girls usually Thai that work there. The club is in the basement. There is a larger room with a tiny bar, a table with finger food, and several couches. In the back is a double shower for guests, a Prostitutes Wadgassen of about 12 lockers, and 2 or 3 bedrooms that are open to anyone at any time no doors, no privacy. When you arrive, you get a quick tour, then you undress, shower, and give the locker key Prostitutes Wadgassen whoever is behind the bar.

There were 3 girls the night I visited -- Nan the ownerPaylin, and Mai. Everyone sits around on couches talking, with the girls getting increasingly intimate. Paylin was sitting between me and another Prostitutes Wadgassen, and soon was fondling us both at the same time through our towels. Soon she stood up, indicating that we should both follow. We stripped off our towels in the room, and Nan started giving me a covered blowjob. She then flipped around on her hands and knees, I entered from behind as she began to give a second blowjob to the other guy.

She then alternated back and forth, intermixing full french kisses, until we both came. After Prostitutes Wadgassen quick shower, I was back in the room, talking politics with one Prostitutes Wadgassen the German guys. I had no problem with English.

Soon Mai appeared, and took me off to one of the rooms. I found Mai to be incredibly cute and sexy, as she quickly lost her shirt and droped into my lap for a BBBJ. After 10 minutes of this no rush Prostitutes Wadgassen allshe put on a condom and we fucked in several positions. After another shower, I returned to the couch, had a little to eat, and talked some more. Paylin then started the same action with another guy This time I was pretty tired, having already had Prostitutes Wadgassen pops, so after about 10 minutes I lay back to rest listening to the sounds of Paylin fucking the other guy.

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I was woken shortly by Mai, sucking on my disk. Next thing I know, Mai is sitting astride me with her tits Prostitutes Wadgassen. This was my first experience in a paid setting Prostitutes Wadgassen the girls seeking you out for more sex. Paylin was still going at it with the other guy in the same room, and for the next 10 Prostitutes Wadgassen the two girls rotated in every Prostitutes Wadgassen between the two guys in the room.

After yet another shower, I decided I was too tired for another Prostitutes Wadgassen and headed back to the hotel. Pegasus is probably not for everyone. You won't find movie star quality girls although I found both Nan and Paylin quite attractive, and could have taken Mai home with meand if you are uncomfortable having sex in a room with another guy, this isn't for you.

But for a relaxed yet wild evening with as much sex as you can Prostitutes Wadgassen, it was a great experience. I have been to a few partytreffs, including Mettmann and Gelsenkirchen see my earlier reports for detailsand always had a good time.

On my next trip to the region I am considering a Friday night at Beverly. However, I am wondering what the chances of having a great time are. The only place I have been to that is anyway like it is Kasteel Waterloo in Holland. While I scored once, it was a place full of single guys, couples who mostly played with other couples, and no single women. The odds of scoring Prostitutes Wadgassen clearly not great, and I probably would not go back there.

I would be very interested to hear a comparison between Kasteel Waterloo and Beverly from the experienced among you who know both places. So, although anthropologists and historians have always shown a pro- fessional interest in rituals and symbols of remembrance, it is by seeing them against the backdrop of the kind of imagery Prostitutes Wadgassen here by David William Cohen that we wanted to stimulate discussion amongst us. And just such discussion seems to be what has happened as our very differ- ent contributions have taken form.

It will become clear to the reader that we each took different notions of 'commemorating' and hence, by extension, of commemorations' silent hinterlands. Yet each of the pieces that follow works over this issue: the impossible task that we all attempt - to make a moment or space of closure within and against the march of time. Through the variety of these cases, one is struck by a deep ambivalence in modern societies with respect to their attitudes to the past, an ambivalence that is reproduced in the strange institutions of public remembering formed around the nexus of some physical memorial, now surely a feature of every national state in the world, from Saddam's great arch to the eternal flame at France's Place d'Etoile.

There is surely some truth to Pierre Nora's observation that such commemorative symbols invoke less a sense of identity with those remembered than a very modernist sense that we should remember them precisely so Prostitutes Wadgassen not to be like them. So, as memorial sites multiply to the point where they almost compete with one another for attention to this rather than Prostitutes Wadgassen memory, so also does a body of literature on memorials and commemorations - as though to deny, to work against, to break down, the silencing effect of closure brought by these memo- Prostitutes Wadgassen.

Yet Marx long ago noted of the Hegelians that no amount of good concepts guarantee a better reality, and sadly, good memory is not itself a guarantee against bad practice in the present. In the section that follows, and drawing on the papers to come, we propose new ways of conjoining anthropology and history, ways that encourage different analytical methods and perspectives and a different sense of the problems before us.

History and Histories, Silences and Commemorations. Carlo Ginzburg, as we noted above, focused his vision of the utility of anthro- pology for historians on two 'real world' features that anthropologists have characteristically addressed: the 'distance' between cultures and 'the attempt to overcome The ways in which Prostitutes Wadgassen separate and combine history and histories and the perspectives that we have developed on silences and commemorations introduce a different historical anthropology.

The two components of Ginzburg's bridge between anthropology and his- tory - in shorthand, distance and coherence - Prostitutes Wadgassen become inadequate both as representation of the world and as analytical or methodological frameworks. To begin, we are not so much dealing with Prostitutes Wadgassen abstract, historically static quality - distance, otherness, 'alterity' - but rather with processes of differen- tiation.

These processes simultaneously create and destroy various kinds of differences both between and within societies, and they turn out to be based as much or more on closeness and intimacy Prostitutes Wadgassen on any imagined or more, desired difference. When, for instance, the English Prostitutes Wadgassen Thomas Prostitutes Wadgassen was sent to ob- serve and report upon Sir Walter Raleigh's attempted settlement of the Virginia coast, he ended his 'Brief and True Prostitutes Wadgassen of the New Prostitutes Wadgassen Land of Virginia' with a description of the 'Natural Inhabitants' and the settlers' relations with them.

The settlers had just Prostitutes Wadgassen a Prostitutes Wadgassen village and destroyed the natives' store of corn because they thought that the natives had stolen a silver goblet from one of them; it was the end of summer, and this action would cause substantial continuing suffering.

Despite - or in the midst of - this publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. At the very time the British were beginning the process of converting native Prostitutes Wadgassen from the same kinds of settled, village farmers as peopled the European countryside to alien 'forest rovers,' to be displaced and enslaved as unworthy savages, they were using an amended version of the marriage contract to delineate their relation- ship to these 'original inhabitants. With the realization that the processes which create, harness, trivialize, ' destroy - in sum, continually transform - differentiation are Prostitutes Wadgassen both uneven and multiplex, the whole notion of 'coherence' both as a feature of social systems and as a means of overcoming distance breaks down, and we come to focus on the fractures, Prostitutes Wadgassen, and contradictions of any society as Prostitutes Wadgassen for understanding its historical dynamic.

A travel brochure in suburban New York City for a photo safari in the east African 'jungle' i. Our project is not to help people make new friends with the oppressed however noble a sentiment that might, in its ignorance, be but to contribute to transforming the world that oppresses both us and them, at first by better understanding its processes. While the distinction between 'distance' and 'differentiation' turns us to- Prostitutes Wadgassen process, our simultaneous focus on fractures and contradictions, Prostitutes Wadgassen than coherence, substantially complicates the Prostitutes Wadgassen of conceptualizing a histori- cal dynamic.

From a straightforward Marxist or even Hegelian perspective it Prostitutes Wadgassen well be claimed that understanding a social system in terms of its contra- dictions is far from an impossible task; indeed, the whole of Capital is a demonstration of how to do this.

But the fundamental - or better, the necessary - fractures and contradictions are far from being simply about class, or be- publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. As the papers here show, these ruptures emerge and develop their significance within, as well as be- tween, the component elements of fundamental social antagonisms.

Reflecting upon the conference papers, we propose a distinction between 'history' and 'histories' as a way of conceptualizing societies in terms of their changing ruptures and contradictions. We are, in this approach, seeking to develop a historical anthropology of and for social systems that reveal them- selves by how they do not fit together. In this way the irreducible ambivalences and ambiguities of both silences and commemorations - their changing, mul- tiple valences and their fundamental, often purposeful unclarity and non-speci- ficity of their meanings - are a Prostitutes Wadgassen route toward seeing the fractures from which this new kind of historical anthropology will Prostitutes Wadgassen.

So, as the editors of this volume, once we came to consider historically significant silences and historically focused Prostitutes Wadgassen, the importance of distinguishing histories from history increasingly became a central problem for us. Indeed, we learned to see this separation not only as an analytical abstraction Prostitutes Wadgassen as a real-world field of high-consequence battles.

Two illustrations will help to clarify our understanding of the connection be- tween power, order, and chaos and the characteristic practices of power that produce both order and chaos.

These same illustrations can also delineate the often-antagonistic separation between history and histories. Prostitutes Wadgassen first illustration Prostitutes Wadgassen a history of class alliances across the enmities of war.

At the end of the Second World War, German officer prisoners of war in American prisons in France were used to replace rapidly demobilized Ameri- can soldiers as guards in the military jails for American enlisted men non- officers.

After all the boundless horrors of the war this is a very tiny and insignificant incident, unless one happened to be a prisoner in such a jail after spending several years at the Prostitutes Wadgassen, seeing one's comrades wounded and killed and seeing oneself become focused on wounding and killing - or even unless one was the youthful, upper-class 'liberal' German Prostitutes Wadgassen telling this story, shaken by the experience of being told to guard, in an American military jail, the 'same' American troops who had captured and come close to killing him.

When this story is understood as part of a larger history, it teaches us little that we do not already know, except perhaps that the attempt by those with power to order the world along lines of class is rather more Prostitutes Wadgassen - and more expansive - than we might have imagined.

It is only when we leave the terrain of 'history' and read this small story through the eyes of its 'inhabit- publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. Consider the situation of the more than 5, American soldiers exposed to 'nerve gas' in the U.

Most of those who were exposed to these chemicals have had long-lasting neural ailments, and genetic problems have emerged among a substantial percentage of the children Prostitutes Wadgassen quently born to them. Five years later, inProstitutes Wadgassen U. Although this admission is the prerequisite for the government's accepting responsibility for treatment of the afflicted, nothing substantial has Prostitutes Wadgassen been done.

Prostitutes Wadgassen the victims and their families, is it the order or the chaos that power brings, or both together, which must be fought? In such contexts we can neither privilege nor deny either a 'grand narrative history' Prostitutes Wadgassen multiple specific histories.

So by invoking plural histories, we are suggesting that these histories emerge both Prostitutes Wadgassen and against larger social processes - against 'history' - and also, in significant ways, against the local Prostitutes Wadgassen the locally known as well. The following brief Prostitutes Wadgassen illustrates the point: A young German girl, about seven years old at the end of the Second World War, living in a small, mostly Catholic farming village and suffering, with her family, very severe hunger in the disruptions at the end of the war, went gleaning potatoes in the village convent's fields at the end of the harvest, the long-standing right of her village's poor and needy.

The harvest had been very thorough; several hours of her gleaning produced only a small, but very spe- cial, sack of potatoes. At the end of the day, when she was about to go Prostitutes Wadgassen, a nun came out of the convent, demanded the bag, and struck her hard, taking it when it was not given.

The chaos that such assaults produce in people's lives is at least Prostitutes Wadgassen useful to contemplate Prostitutes Wadgassen any 'ordering' or unifying pattern or process, and equally large and politically crucial issues are at stake.

Although the story here is about publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. It is this chaos - the turmoil and tumult created by the cultural and physical violence that is always crucial to the continuing exercise of power - which enables us to use the distinction between history and histories without privileg- ing 'history.

All the recurrent, shifting ruptures we have seen in our own lives - different kinds of wars, different kinds of economic booms and busts, all with vastly different conse- quences from those that came before and those that will follow - should have long ago taught us to call into question Prostitutes Wadgassen conceptual apparatus for a 'histori- cal social science. It is heuristically important, therefore, to see the distinction between histories and history, as we use it here, as at least beginning on a playing field, with neither side assumed to be more responsible for maintaining, reproducing, or transforming the social order.

This distinction is not ordinarily made or used in such Prostitutes Wadgassen way, but the difference is crucial, we feel, to the papers collected here. We began this part of the introduction by saying that both anthropology and history might gain from addressing more thoroughly the issue of cultural dif- ferentiation.

Attending to processes of differentiation becomes more than just adding another topic to a list of anthropological Prostitutes Wadgassen historical interests. Rather, processes of differentiation centre our analyses upon what we might provoca- tively call 'the rents of culture': what a culture takes and Prostitutes Wadgassen, and from whom; the tears across the still-being-woven fabrics of social life: in sum, culture history. We need to develop ways of seeing 'culture,' and in particular the splits, publisher, except fair Prostitutes Wadgassen permitted under U.

We have found that the making and breaking of silences and commemorations calls our attention to those aspects of culture that are not simply shared - Prostitutes Wadgassen unshared - 'values'; more, that a close attention to silences and commemorations broadens, in analytically very useful ways, our concepts of necessary struggle.

Silences and commemorations call our attention to forms of struggle within, as well as between, classes, or more broadly, among oppressed and exploited people, as well as between them and those who dominate. In the largest sense Prostitutes Wadgassen issue before us is not simply struggle but necessary struggle - not neces- sary in any simple mechanical, predetermined way, but as one outcome of antagonisms that are crucial to the organization and reproduction Prostitutes Wadgassen a society.

We can amplify and clarify our point by distinguishing a direct consider- ation of silences and commemorations from the social-historical project, particularly salient in the last three decades or so, of 'giving voice' to the silent and silenced. Much as this whole project has been an extraordinary gain over what went before, broadening our sense of social processes, it has some peculiar and limiting twists that can be found right at the outset of its conceptual and methodological pathways.

Ethnographers face some issues about silence and voice that are rightly of not much concern to historians, save to those of the very recent past: giving voice to people whose well-being or lives depend upon silence. And this issue goes far beyond the presentation of any specific critique of power. The French ethnologist Georges Condominas, speaking in tears to the plenary session of the American Anthropological Association annual meetings, told how his monograph analysing and Prostitutes Wadgassen the music and ethnomusicology of Montaignard people in the Vietnamese highlands was used by the American Central Intelligence Agency to uncover lines of social alliance in these high- lands and to identify and kill several of his key 'informants' an anthropologi- cal term from a more innocent age.

But ethnographers, in the midst of the extreme pressures upon them to consider and to invoke their own silences, have a special advantage over most publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. Ethnographers can Prostitutes Wadgassen about the unheard to one another and to their readers, and on the basis of their extensive residence among the people whom they study, they can record and re-present the often mutually antagonistic words of diverse groups among 'the people' themselves.

Without entering into the useful, but increasingly diversionary, discussions of how the ethnographer often imposes his or her own modalities upon 'native' voices, we here address a more salient issue for historians as well as anthro- pologists. This second component of Prostitutes Wadgassen anthropologists do - re-presenting local voices - has led, and increasingly forcefully still leads, directly to the issue of making these voices matter.

Otherwise we are pushed back to an anthropology that is little more than a description of the quaint or violent customs of other people, Prostitutes Wadgassen a social history that calls talking Prostitutes Wadgassen each other about the vulnerable giving them voice. Far more often than we have admitted, it is not simply Prostitutes Wadgassen silence of the vulnerable that matters - they are as likely as not to scream and wail when their children die - but the silence of the domi- nant society, and other groups of the Prostitutes Wadgassen and the oppressed, about their or each other's suffering.

After traveling for three seconds they are perfectly inaudible'. There is a historical myth, widespread among and important to progressive American historians, Prostitutes Wadgassen seems Prostitutes Wadgassen delineate our Prostitutes Wadgassen for coping effec- tively with silences. This myth developed from a tale Prostitutes Wadgassen in the late by Paul Cowan, a reporter for Prostitutes Wadgassen New York City Village Voice, about the after- math of the 'Bread and Roses' strike in Lawrence, Massachusetts Cowan His story centres on the family history of Camella Teoli, who as a thirteen-year-old girl working in a mill in Lawrence inthe year before the strike, had her scalp torn off by a yarn-twisting machine.

The myth that developed from this incident, retold by Herbert Gutman in several influential contexts, including his presidential address to the American Historical Association see Gutmancan be divided into two major allegories. The first concerns the family relations of the working class and claims that Prostitutes Wadgassen Teoli never told her children about her scalping or about her dramatic post- strike testimony in a congressional inquiry; it further claims that this Prostitutes Wadgassen, this lack of knowledge of one's own family history, was both widely replicated and a serious obstacle to the development of class consciousness.

The second major allegory in this myth focuses on the development, begin- ning inof a 'Bread and Roses' day of public commemoration in Lawrence, with music, speeches, and food and with a special place of honour for Camella publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. Teoli, including giving her name to a pathway in the town park where the commemorations are held. Historians, especially Paul Cowan, played a key role in the development of this Bread and Roses commemoration, as also did a progressive union and a church group, both with headquarters in New York City.

As Gerald Sider has shownall the major components of this myth about 'giving voice to the silenced' are not only factually wrong but also wrong in ways that matter a very great deal to the working people of Lawrence. Camella Teoli's children in fact knew their mother's history in great detail long before they first met Paul Cowan; the crucial silence that we need Prostitutes Wadgassen gically to consider is not their silence with each other but their silence before Paul Cowan's Prostitutes Wadgassen believed, insistent, and totally false assertion, both to them and publicly, that he was giving them their history, rather than imposing a history.

The commemoration of the Bread and Roses strike, at its beginning inwas largely designed and financed by outsiders, with the worthy goal of en- hancing class consciousness by 'giving people back' their history. Prostitutes Wadgassen in the last textile mill had been closed for twenty-six years, and the city was largely, and the public schools predominantly, Hispanic.

Some historians, emphasizing the importance of collectively self-referential ways Prostitutes Wadgassen looking at 'texts' and paying elaborate attention to the relations that historians have to one another and to their 'audiences' rather than emphasizing what is and has been happening in the outside Prostitutes Wadgassenhave regarded the interweaving of fact and fancy in this myth and Prostitutes Wadgassen commemora- Prostitutes Wadgassen and the political significance of getting the story right as 'ludic' see Cohen, this volume, and more generally Montgomery, Buhle, Stansell, and Cameron in their rejoinders published along with Sider The struggles that rage just out of sight of our 'gift of history' to the workers of Lawrence are far less ludic to the Hispanic Prostitutes Wadgassen there, a great many of whom rioted against their treatment intriggering a wave of arson that went far beyond the arson rate of any other city in New England and Prostitutes Wadgassen until the Prostitutes Wadgassen The mythic interpretations of the long history of labour struggles Prostitutes Wadgassen Lawrence seemed worse than ludicrous to the remnants of the old White working class, publisher, except fair uses permitted under U.

In people involved in labour struggles in Lawrence in the and were interviewed about their sense of their own history. One said that 'calling the mill strike the Bread and Roses strike is ludicrous. It was not a glamorous occasion. I used to see the men come out of the Arlington mill half- naked to the waist. They were drowned in sweat and looking at them you felt they were about to collapse I never saw people suffer like that It left a terrible impression' this woman's full statement is presented and discussed in Sider When we speak of silence or when we speak 'for' or to the silenced, we must ourselves first do a much better job of listening.

As the transformations of our attempts to bring our version of class consciousness to the 'silenced' workers of Lawrence shows, the process of listening to, and for, silences must also be the process of rethinking some of our most cherished and romantically compelling concepts and collective self-perceptions.

Speaking about the fact that throughout the mid-twentieth century the Prostitutes Wadgassen White infant mortality rate in the United States has been three times as high as that of White infants, Prostitutes Wadgassen Baldwin told us, 'All those children died in si- lence.

Rather, this 'silence' names the active, and in some ways the actively enforced and often exceptionally noisy, relationships between those infants, their parents, ourselves, and our dominant social institutions. All those very specific children died both in silence and, as Baldwin implied, from silence, and when we look closely at those silences, we find them to be in crucial ways both embedded in and also continually reborn from our praxis and from our inability to listen.

We need then to think about a broader range of necessary struggles and alliances than those revealed by the actually multiple - but often seemingly polar - antagonisms Prostitutes Wadgassen class, gender, or ethnicity.

On this basis we can begin to work Prostitutes Wadgassen the problems of what it means to 'give voice' to the vulnerable and the oppressed. We could also consider what else we might need to Prostitutes Wadgassen, analyti- cally and politically besides a more or less 'thick' description of others' works and daysto engage with the struggles, in addition to class, that must be publisher, except fair uses permitted under U.

Historians' invocation of anthropology to describe the 'otherness' of the people whom they study see, for example, Lowenthal runs the risk of homogenizing their subjects of Prostitutes Wadgassen, reducing the changing internal dynamics to a few stereotypical distinctions - male or female, working or unemployed, religion a or b, black or white - distinctions that may or may not, at any given time and place, have any significant part in the transformative tensions that wreak havoc, change, and hope hope, for the vulnerable, being as much a terror as a joy among the dominated and the oppressed.

The issue before us, in sum, ought no longer to be the 'otherness' of the people whom we study and work with, but the ways that differentiation, like silence, can be Prostitutes Wadgassen imposed and Prostitutes Wadgassen, and how differentiation, like com- memoration, involves attempts Prostitutes Wadgassen both 'above' and 'below,' as it were, to claim and impose a past upon the future and upon each other.

Prostitutes Wadgassen Contributors. The papers in Prostitutes Wadgassen book are divided into two sections. Pan I: History and Histories. Michel-Rolph Trouillot, a scholar from a Prostitutes Wadgassen that has not dominated the discourse of Western historiography, warns us to be suspicious of the ways in which this dominant discourse has produced a single truth about History written with a capital 'H'.

Yet by referring, in the opening chapter, to Haitian urban elites who prefer that certain ghosts are 'best left undisturbed' 40he reminds us that we should not be too hasty in passing the baton of 'truth' to elite guild historians beyond the West.

Trouillot's argument is that asking the question about what history is or what it should be is misguided; rather, Prostitutes Wadgassen should be trying to explore how history works, and he identifies at Prostitutes Wadgassen four essential stages in this process: the making of sources, of archives, of narratives, and finally 'the moment of retrospective significance the making of history in the final Prostitutes Wadgassen.

His publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. Trouillot reminds us time and again of the limitations of his own endeavour: history for him, as for all the contributors, is eternally an unfinished task, not just whether Prostitutes Wadgassen gaze is turned back to the past or on to the future, but because our gaze can never be singu- larly directed to the one or the other. The issue at the core of this analysis of an ongoing ethnic history is the simultaneous formation of tradition and class - against and within the histories that are claimed, that people are forced to live, that people must oppose.

Out of the diversity of interlocked struggles that we have named 'history' and 'tradition,' people form and also deny both their own cultures Prostitutes Wadgassen their experiences. We are not dealing here with anything that can simply be reduced to the notion of 'resistance' Prostitutes Wadgassen or practices. The fundamental issue is how ordinary people continue — Prostitutes Wadgassen their ways, their practices, their beliefs, their life itself - and how they talk to one another about their 'history,' in ways that keep them going, keep them talking to one another - against the ways that their history is organized for them by those with far more political and cultural power.

The themes of dispute and difference in the production of histories are taken up again in Sumit Prostitutes Wadgassen 'Renaissance and Kaliyuga: Time, Myth, and His- tory in Colonial Bengal,' Prostitutes Wadgassen which we find the author worrying that Edward Said's path-breaking book attacking western Orientalism has itself resulted in a counter-orthodoxy that relies too closely on 'simplistic impact-response frame- works' vis-a-vis colonial hegemonic discourses.

The result, he suggests, is that 'a vague "community-consciousness" can now be postulated as relatively free of internal tension or structures of oppression: an indigenism that can become extremely retrogressive in its political implications' emphasis ours. The rel- evance of this observation is made clear near the end of the essay, when we find the author turning from the writing of his piece to the communal violence engulfing the India he lives in today. Sarkar chooses as his ground a small item in the historical records: a pam- phlet describing a Prostitutes Wadgassen case.

A high-caste rural gentleman had invited a wan- dering Brahman and two of his untouchable followers into his home, and murder and mayhem had resulted. The court case that resulted provides incon- clusive flashes of light on a complex reality. For Sarkar, any discussion of the so-called post-colonial discourse is faced with an almost insuperable task. Hith- erto, he suggests, it has resolved the problem by focusing almost exclusively on classes that leave the most Prostitutes Wadgassen historical traces, notably the Indian middle class.

The issue Prostitutes Wadgassen far more complex, however, and Sarkar tackles it by setting up for us a number of crucial characteristics of the period that he is dealing with, among them the very rapid introduction of clock time to Bengal and of office discipline among the lower middle classes moving from rural to urban settings.

What we discover in his intricate account is that not only was the colonial encounter experienced differently by different groups in Bengali soci- ety, but so too was the supposedly 'Bengali' Prostitutes Wadgassen history to which actors turned in their everyday worlds.

A kind of forgery? See Medick's chapter below. Yet Sarkar and Trouillot, in the opening chapter, are alike in their forceful insistence that the threatened traisons des clercs involved in a constructivist view of historical 'reality' lie above all else in political timidity. Karin Hausen's 'The "Day of National Mourning" in Germany,' illuminates a history of the spaces between personal grief and public mourning, and shows how in this space grief and mourning are simultaneously shaped, denied, and appropriated.

The starting point of this history is the substitution of 'fallen' for 'killed' and the continual eradication of the victims of the killed soldiers.

The history develops through the multiple struggles of families, veterans' associa- tions, and the re-emergent state against the idea of 'deaths for nothing' in the loss of the First World War. This struggle was also lost - the struggle to learn something productive 'from history' - and in this loss we can see the processes through which the mass 'industrial' slaughters of armies in the First World War were broken into thinkable pieces in ways that create culture by making publisher, except fair uses permitted under U.

Part II: Silences and Commemorations. At the core of Alf Liidtke's essay, 'Histories of Mourning: Flowers and Stones for the War Dead, Confusion for the Living,' is his rejection of any attempt to produce a 'coherent picture' of the contestations in the histories of mourning. Rather, his purpose is to portray Prostitutes Wadgassen 'fractured realities' of public and private histories across the division and reunification of East and West Germany, and to use the lines of fracture to draw out paradoxes in the commemorations of the German war dead - commemorations simultaneously Prostitutes Wadgassen and appropriat- ing public and private grief.

Memory and history are torn apart, one from the other, both before our eyes and again almost out of sight.

Indeed, Prostitutes Wadgassen of the achievements of this essay is to show how Prostitutes Wadgassen we do and do not see as history takes, and loses, shape. David William Cohen and E.

These struggles began with Otieno's wife and his brother each claiming the body for burial and developed through seven court battles, major public demonstrations, and an Prostitutes Wadgassen of correspondence and commentary in the national newspapers. On the surface a conflict between 'tradition' and 'modernity,' the debate quickly developed into confrontations over the histori- cal Prostitutes Wadgassen of culture and authority.

The power of this piece lies precisely in its ability to show us the creation and destruction both of such abstractions as 'culture' and 'authority' and also simultaneously of actual people, especially Wambui, Otieno's wife. The struggles over the construction of memory and the connections between a remembered past and an impending future are directly engaged by Gadi Algazi in his study Prostitutes Wadgassen village assemblies in late-medieval western Germany, 'Lords Ask, Peasants Answer: Making Traditions in Late Medieval Village Assemblies.

In ritualized 'visits' to the peasant communities, lords would ask a series of formal ques- tions Prostitutes Wadgassen the peasants' spokesperson s. These interrogations often began quite simply - 'Am I your lawful lord? Most of the questions took the form of enquiries into - which is to say, Prostitutes Wadgassen about and constructions of - the customs of the continuing past.

Although - and because - the lord could not claim what the peasant would not state, and the peasant could not respond to what was not asked, peasants had the power of memory and lords Prostitutes Wadgassen power to call it forth or press it back. In such contexts, memory was not that domain of the self that could seem to be partly Prostitutes Wadgassen from lordship, and tradition could be a burden.

More to the point, both memory and tradition were the products of fundamentally antagonistic confrontations - as elsewhere, although elsewhere the processes that create such outcomes are ordinarily more diffuse. History and histories are always being used and reused, asserted Prostitutes Wadgassen denied.

But not all uses and denials are of the same ethical kind. This is especially striking in the pieces by Jane and Peter Schneider and Louise Lamphere, which raise and extend this issue in the contexts of commemorations and silences. As the Schneiders introduce us to the world of contemporary Sicily in the next chapter, we learn of a variety of anti-mafia groups who differ above all in the ways in which they seek to confront mafia in the present.

But then as we turn to the backlash with which Prostitutes Wadgassen various expressions of anti-mafia have been faced in Sicily, we discover that the apparently mundane and present-day focus of people's dilemmas is pre-eminently a product of the way that Sicilian history has Prostitutes Wadgassen and is being produced.

Against the rational individualism of peace and Green activists who talk of the universal good of 'the rule of law,' there is another side, even among many anti-mafia activists themselves, who simultaneously feel nostalgia for an intimate past of awkward Italian dialect Prostitutes Wadgassen recognizing that there is nothing universal or Prostitutes Wadgassen about the liberal 'rule of law' in its real, daily application, particularly as they wit- ness their landscape transformed by the gentle and thorough predations of a liberal international capital.

What Prostitutes Wadgassen the essence of a good Sicily - something we can be fond of without feeling guilty or Prostitutes Wadgassen And what really were those quotidian moments of toil and joy, jealousy and love, that we experienced, or wished that we had experienced, in our youth or our grandparents in theirs? These seem to be conjoined questions.

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For one thing, that 'someone else,' as we have Prostitutes Wadgassen in the pieces by Trouillot and Prostitutes Wadgassen and are shortly to see in Medick's piece, Prostitutes Wadgassen has some agenda of his or her own which we may or may not know. In Lamphere's study of a plant in New Mexico whose workers are faced with management plans to introduce 'high involvement' Prostitutes Wadgassen schemes, the agendas of those who Prostitutes Wadgassen the past daily practices of work to each other are not obscure, even if they are not always consistent or Prostitutes Wadgassen.

The introduction of these new methods of organiz- ing shop-floor work inevitably assumes a certain way of interpreting what has happened in the past, the version differing greatly depending on where Prostitutes Wadgassen are in the company. Although Prostitutes Wadgassen may have seen the Taylorist schemes of the past as problematic, they nonetheless saw within them well-intentioned attempts to get labour to work more productively by using management's suggested methods.

The workers, on the other hand, felt that they had always wanted to 'get involved' and, indeed, had often suggested ideas to manage- ment, but Prostitutes Wadgassen never taken seriously. And these are not just academic disputes over 'what really happened'; how you see what the past labour process was really all about very much determines the shape that you give to the new 'Japanese plan. For, although workers may believe that they have as much stake as manage- ment in making the factory work properly, their shared desire to improve productivity against foreign competition translates ultimately into whether or not each of them has a Prostitutes Wadgassen - a job that comes to be defined as much by its increasingly brutalizing demands as by the wage - on the one hand, and whether or not management can pay dividends Prostitutes Wadgassen the shareholders, on the other.

So new versions of 'corporate culture' involve a quite specific reading of what is most relevant in the history of capitalism. In 'corporate culture' the term 'culture' is taken very much in its old anthropological sense: a shared set Prostitutes Wadgassen meanings and goals and a common sense of belonging, in which the 'we versus they' Prostitutes Wadgassen are forged not between management and labour but between our firm and theirs.

Lamphere's piece illustrates very clearly the deep personal and social splits and woundings Prostitutes Wadgassen and then obscured by such a construction. The piece by Hans Medick is especially provocative in a collection on the production of history, for it deals with a document full of 'thick description' of Prostitutes Wadgassen famine in the Swabian Alps of Germany at the beginning of the last cen- Prostitutes Wadgassen.

Long a rich source for professional historians of this period, the document turns out to have been a forgery with a complex ideological agenda, including anti-Semitism.

Near the end of his chapter Medick questions why the author of Prostitutes Wadgassen piece might have chosen to undertake his very dubious enterprise. Among his hypotheses is that this obscure rural schoolteacher wished to 'establish in a publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. Because this was at a time when such histories had little legitimacy among German professional historians, Medick suggests, perhaps the teacher chose to mask his retrospective sentiments in the guise of thick description.

But symbolic capital turns out to be like any other Prostitutes Wadgassen of capital: it draws its own vitality from other people's lives. In a sense, then, the teacher may have chosen the route of forgery because there was no professional guild of social historians or anthropologists who would or could Prostitutes Wadgassen a cover of professional respectability for his work.

What Medick hypothesizes that the teacher may have been doing was trying to find a means that would reproduce as closely as possible the oral tradition of the people whom he felt himself to be representing. And what resulted was 'a forgery. It is a theme taken Prostitutes Wadgassen in different ways by Trouillot, Sarkar, and the Schneiders. Reflecting on his own position paper circulated as part of the call for these essays in the final chapter, David W.

The project of this collection of essays is, at its most general and most funda- mental, the reformulation of our concepts of class and class struggle. Edward Thompson - whose absence is a space in our hearts, whose presence inspired much of the hope that fuels our Prostitutes Wadgassen work - taught us specifically to under- stand the priority of struggle; from struggle came Prostitutes Wadgassen and class conscious- ness, not vice versa.

These essays Prostitutes Wadgassen up that point of view, but in the context of struggles that are both about class and necessarily also very much broader. More and different rough beasts are now slouching towards Bethlehem to be born; our concepts of class, in this perspective, seem almost Prostitutes Wadgassen innocent and too neat for the battles that must now be fought. What each and every paper in this collection tries to confront is the issues of dispute and struggle within and against ordered fields of power, not always the powerful interested in order and the weak opposed to it, but often the weak seeking their order against chaos Prostitutes Wadgassen by Prostitutes Wadgassen.

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Studies of collective memory, as well as the role of personal ways of remembering, can be found in sociology, psychology, anthropology, and history and also in emerging interdisciplinary fields such as gender studies, cultural studies, Prostitutes Wadgassen ethnicity studies. That the exemplary work of Ronald Fraser, is rarely referred to in con texts such as this one demon- strates the continued hegemony of university-based research and disciplinary fortresses.

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Medick, Hans 'Missionaries in a Rowboat'? Ethnological ways of knowing as a challenge to social history. Medick, Hans, and David Sabean, eds. Prostitutes Wadgassen York: Cambridge University Press. Middleton, David, and Derek Edwards, eds. London: Sage. Representations Berkeley: University of California Press.

Ortner, Sherry B. Passerini, Luisa Fascism in Popular Memory. Midland: Indiana University Press. Raphael, Samuel Theatres of Memory. London: Verso. Rosaldo, Renato Culture and Truth. Boston: Beacon. Roseberry, William Anthropologies and Histories. Rousso, Prostitutes Wadgassen The Vichy Syndrome. Arthur Goldhammer, trans.

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In the northern mountains of the Republic of Haiti, there is an old palace called Sans Souci that many urbanites and neighbouring peasants revere as one of the most important historical monuments of their country.

The palace - what re- mains of it - stands on a small elevation between the higher hills surrounding the town of Milot. It is impressive if only because of its size, or what one can publisher, except fair uses permitted under U.

It was built to instil a long-lasting deference, and it still does, in part because its occasional visitors expect fascination. One does not stumble upon these ruins: they are both too remote and too often mentioned within Haiti for the encounter to be fully accidental.

Anyone who comes here, enticed by the posters of Haiti's Departement du Tourisme or by one or another narrative of glory, is at least vaguely familiar with the country's past and assumes history to be dormant within these crumbling walls.

Anyone who comes here knows that this huge dwelling was built in the early nineteenth century, for a black king, by blacks barely out of Prostitutes Wadgassen. Thus the traveller is soon caught Prostitutes Wadgassen the sense of desolation that moulds Sans Souci's present and a furtive awareness of bygone glory.

There is so little here to see and so much to infer. Anyone who comes here comes too late, after a climax of which little has been preserved, yet early enough to dare imagine what it might have been.

What Prostitutes Wadgassen might have been is not left entirely to the visitor's imagination. Soon enough a peasant of the area will force himself upon you and serve as your impromptu guide. He will take you through the ruins, and for a small fee, he will talk about Sans Souci.

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Christophe ruling the northern one. He may or not know that Millot was an old French plantation that Christophe took over and managed for some time during the revolution; but he will surely relate the fabulous feasts that went on at Sans Souci after Christophe became king, the opulent dinners, the dances, the bril- liant costumes.

He might tell you that the price was heavy, both in currency and in human blood: the king was both rich and ruthless. Hundreds of Prostitutes Wadgassen died building his favourite residence, the surrounding town, Prostitutes Wadgassen the neighbouring Citadel Henry, either because of the harsh labour conditions or because they faced the firing squad for a minor breach of discipline. Prostitutes Wadgassen this point, you may start wondering if Sans Souci was worth the price.

But the peasant will keep on describing the property, oblivious to your query. He will insist on its immense gardens now denuded, its Prostitutes Wadgassen now gone, and especially the waterworks.

In the words of an old hand who took me around the ruins, 'Christophe made water flow within these walls. On these and many other points, the printed record - the pictures and the words left behind by those who saw Sans Souci and the town of Milot before publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. Geographer Karl Ritter, who drew a sketch of the palace a few days after Prostitutes Wadgassen death, found it 'very impressive to the eye' Ritter British visitor John Candlerwho saw a deserted building that he judged to be in poor style, admitted that it must have been 'splendid' Prostitutes Wadgassen Christophe's time.

Similarly, the king's ruthless Prostitutes Wadgassen is well established in books, some of which were written by his contemporaries; professional historians are uncer- tain only about the actual number of labourers who died during the construc- tion of the palace. Christophe's racial pride is also well known: it exudes from what remains of his correspondence e.

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Though the written record and the oral Prostitutes Wadgassen transmitted by the local guides match quite closely on most substantial points, there is one topic of importance on which the peasants remain more evasive than the writers. If asked about the name of the palace, even a neophyte guide will Prostitutes Wadgassen, quite correctly, that san sousi means 'carefree' in Haitian as sans souci does in Prostitutes Wadgassen and that the words are commonly used to qualify someone who wor- ries about little.

Some may even add that the expression aptly describes the king himself, or at least that side of him that sought for relaxation and the easy life of Sans Souci. Others may recall that during Christophe's reign the name of Sans Souci was extended to the town newly built around the palace, Prostitutes Wadgassen a rural burg more often referred to as Milot.

Several of the themes discussed in the Introduction were developed in the Cultural Pluralism Seminar at Columbia University, and we are very grateful to the Columbia University Seminars program for a grant in aid of the prepara- tory work for publication.

Few guides, however, are prone to volunteer the fact that Sans Souci was also the name of a man and that this man was killed by Henry Christophe himself.

The War within the War. The circumstances surrounding the death of Sans Souci the man are often publisher, except fair uses permitted under U. The Prostitutes Wadgassen storyline of the Hai- tian Revolution, which Prostitutes Wadgassen the end of American slavery and eventuated in the birth of Haiti from the ashes of French Saint-Domingue, will receive only a summary treatment here.

It took thirteen years for Prostitutes Wadgassen revolution to unfold, from the initial slave uprising of August in northern Saint-Domingue to the proclamation of Haitian independence in January The stretch that most concerns us, which lasted less than a year, starts with Prostitutes Wadgassen landing in of the French forces sent by First Consul Napoleon Bonaparte Prostitutes Wadgassen secret instructions to re-establish slavery in Saint-Domingue.

What follows is a syn- opsis of the undisputed facts. The revolutionary forces were commanded by a Creole black, General Toussaint Louverture, who had emerged as the nearly uncontested leader of the revolutionary slaves since From to Louverture had ruled over the colony like an independent monarch, though nominally in the name of France.

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He had consolidated the fragile freedom gained in the early with the backing of a 'colonial' army, composed mainly of former slaves and comprising at Prostitutes Wadgassen in excess of 20, men.

He had been slightly wounded in Georgia, at the battle of Savannah, while fighting on the side of the American Revolu- tion in the Comte d'Estaing's regiment. After Prostitutes Wadgassen few months of bloody engagements, Leclerc's forces broke down many of the revolutionaries' defences. Henry Christophe then left Louverture and joined the French in April Soon after Christophe's defection, other prominent black officers including Louverture's most important second, Gen- eral Jean-Jacques Dessalines surrendered, quite probably with Louverture's consent.

In early May Louverture himself capitulated. Even Prostitutes Wadgassen a number Prostitutes Wadgassen former slaves rejected that ceasefire and maintained isolated pock- ets of armed resistance, Leclerc used the limited calm to entrap Louverture. The black general was captured in June and sent to jail in France. Armed resistance had not stopped completely Prostitutes Wadgassen the successive submis- sions of Christophe, Dessalines, and Louverture.

It escalated after Louverture's exile, especially when Leclerc ordered the disarmament of all former Prostitutes Wadgassen who did not belong to the 'colonial' regiments now formally integrated within his army. Many cultivators and soldiers who had seen in Louverture's arrest a testimony of Leclerc's treachery viewed the disarmament decree as additional publisher, except fair uses permitted under U.

They joined the resistance in increasing numbers in August and September By October most of the Louverture followers who had formally accepted Leclerc's author- ity the previous Prostitutes Wadgassen rejoined the resistance with their troops.

These black officers forged a new alliance with light-skinned free coloureds who had up to then supported the expedition. By November Dessalines had become the Prostitutes Wadgassen of the alliance with the blessing of the most prominent of the free coloureds, mulatto general Alexandre Petion, a former member of Leclerc's army. A year later the reconstituted revolutionary troops gained full control of the colony, the French acknowledged defeat, and Haiti became an independent country with Dessalines as its first chief of state.

Historians generally agree on most of these facts, with the Haitians usually insisting on the courage of their ancestors, and the foreigners, especially white foreigners, usually emphasizing the role of yellow fever in weakening the French troops. Both groups mention only in passing that the Haitian war of independence involved, in fact, more than two camps.

The army first put together by Toussaint Louverture and reconstituted by Dessalines did not only fight against the French expeditionary forces. At crucial moments of the war. The series of events that I call the Prostitutes Wadgassen within the war' stretches from about June to mid It comprises mainly two major campaigns: the one led by the black officers reintegrated under Leclerc's command against the former slaves who had refused to Prostitutes Wadgassen to the French June-October and the one led by the same generals and the free coloured officers associated with Petion against the former slaves who refused to acknowledge the revolutionary hierarchy and the supreme authority of Dessalines November iApril Prostitutes Wadgassen Crucial to the story is the fact Prostitutes Wadgassen in both campaigns the first group is com- Prostitutes Wadgassen mainly of black Prostitutes Wadgassen natives of the island Prostitutes Wadgassen of the Caribbean and the dissident groups are composed of - and led by - Bossales African-born slavesmainly from the Congo.

The story of Jean-Baptiste Sans Souci ties together these Prostitutes Wadgassen campaigns. Sans Souci: The Man. Colonel Jean-Baptiste Sans Souci was a Bossale slave, probably from the Congo, who played Prostitutes Wadgassen important role in the early days of the uprising, com- manding the Prostitutes Wadgassen camp of Prostitutes Wadgassen in Gros ; Prostitutes Wadgassen by Prostitutes Wadgassen Like other Congo military leaders, he excelled at the guerrilla-type publisher, except fair uses permitted under U.

After Toussaint Louverture unified the revolutionary forces, Sans Souci be- came one of Christophe's immediate subalterns. At the time of the French invasion, he was military commander of the arrondissement of Grande Riviere, an important district in the north of Saint-Domingue that included his original Cardinaux camp.

Between February and April he repeatedly defeated the French expeditionary forces in the areas that he controlled. Like many other black officers, however, he tacitly accepted Leclerc's victory after Louverture's surrender. I do not know of a document indicating Sans Souci's formal submission, but for the month Prostitutes Wadgassen June at least, the French referred to him Prostitutes Wadgassen his 'colonial' grade, which suggests his integration within Leclerc's military organization.

Sans Souci's presence in the French camp, however formal, was quite short, lasting less than a month. Leclerc, who had reports that the colonel was co- vertly reorganizing the 'colonial' troops and calling on cultivators to join a new rebellion, gave a secret order for his arrest on 4 July Prostitutes Wadgassen French general Philibert Fressinet, Prostitutes Wadgassen veteran of Napoleon's Italian campaigns then, nominally.

French 'colonial' officers took steps to implement that order. But Sans Souci did not wait for Fressinet. He defected with Prostitutes Wadgassen of his troops, launching a vigorous attack on a neighbouring French camp on 7 July.

Fressinet then wrote to Leclerc: 'I am warning you, General, that le nomme [the so-called] Sans Souci has just rebelled and tries to win to his party as many cultivators as he can. He is even now encircling the Cardinio [Cardinaux] camp. General Henry Christophe Prostitutes Wadgassen marching against him' Auguste and Auguste ; italics mine. The African, meanwhile, gained the loyalty of other blacks, soldiers and cultivators alike. He soon became Prostitutes Wadgassen leader of a substantial army, at least one powerful enough to give constant concern to the French.

Using primarily guerilla-type tactics, Sans Souci exploited his greater knowledge of the topography and his troops' Prostitutes Wadgassen adaptation to the local environment to keep Prostitutes Wadgassen bay both the French and the colonial forces still affiliated to Leclerc.

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Yes D-dorf is closest and most convenient to A-dam and the Dusseldorf area is king of the partytreff - Swing2You cannot compare to Beverly and Beverly is only about 20 minutes out of the city. In so stressing Potsdam, he not only silences the colonel, but he also denies Christophe's own attempt to silence Sans Souci the man. In such contexts we can neither privilege nor deny either a 'grand narrative history' or multiple specific histories.

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